During the campaign [in California in 2008], it was "Protect our children. Don't let them know about gay and lesbian marriage, because if they learn about gay and lesbian marriage they'll think the gay and lesbian lifestyle is OK, and that's wrong." When they got to trial, I think they recognized that that blatantly discriminatory message was not going to fly. So they started off by saying, "You've got to ban gay and lesbian marriage, because if you don't, you're going to undermine heterosexual marriage." That proved to be a proposition for which there was no evidence at all, and it was totally contrary to common sense. So they abandoned that.

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And then their final argument was, "Well we don't know what the effect is going to be of gay and lesbian marriage. And so you ought to ban it because you don't know what the effect will be." So we said, "First, lack of knowledge is not a basis for discrimination. And second, in fact we do know what the result of gay and lesbian marriage will be. It will improve the lives of gay and lesbian couples, it will improve the health and welfare of the children that gay and lesbian couples are raising. It will not in any way harm heterosexual marriage."