I don't think the campaign should ever shy away from the fact that we're asking voters in this state to allow two men to get married, two women to get married or whatever combination thereof. I can't sit here and suggest what should be in television ads and what shouldn't be. But I would be disturbed, I guess, if the campaign shied away from the fact that this is about same sex marriage.

My point in describing it as civil marriage rights is trying to define it as a right that we're seeking from our government, not from anybody's church. So naturally when you talk about marriage in general, whether it's straight marriage or same sex marriage, there're visions in people's heads about ceremonies in churches or synagogues. And if that's going to be the image that's going to be in a majority of voter's heads as they go to the ballot box - I don't think we can win.

But if there's a distinction that specifically says this is about a marriage certificate from the government and that no one church will be forced to do anything they don't want to do regarding marrying people - then I think it's very winnable. So I'm not suggesting you shy away from same sex marriage or gay marriage as a definition, but I do think it's important that voters understand what the community is asking for - which is a civil marriage that is provided by our government.

This should be a government saying to its people we recognize all humans as equals and therefore will allow marriage rights to all people.